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                        <title>RE: Ask questions here</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/general/ask-questions-here/#post-15</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Ok it just let me log on with my details from the old site so not sure how that happened will see what happens 
Thanks 
Dunc]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok it just let me log on with my details from the old site so not sure how that happened will see what happens </p>
<p>Thanks </p>
<p>Dunc</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ask questions here</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/general/ask-questions-here/#post-14</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@dunc01 Hi Duncan
you will get it free for three days but it will then try to take payment, it should ask for card details at that point
 
there is no connection between old site and this...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dunc01 Hi Duncan</p>
<p>you will get it free for three days but it will then try to take payment, it should ask for card details at that point</p>
<p> </p>
<p>there is no connection between old site and this one</p>
<p> </p>
<p>let me know what happens please</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ask questions here</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/general/ask-questions-here/#post-13</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Bob I have logged into new site but haven&#039;t had to put in bank details is that because I am already a member.  Really no clue whats going on.  Thanks 
Duncan]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob I have logged into new site but haven't had to put in bank details is that because I am already a member.  Really no clue whats going on.  Thanks </p>
<p>Duncan </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decision Making</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/teachingandlearning/decision-making/#post-12</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks Bob. 
It makes sense, however one thing I’m concerned about is too much questioning while on the go. I assume what you’re talking about would be while the car is moving. I don’t want...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bob. <br /><br /></p>
<p>It makes sense, however one thing I’m concerned about is too much questioning while on the go. I assume what you’re talking about would be while the car is moving. I don’t want to bombard the learner with questioning which takes their focus away from what they’re doing, leading to mistakes happening which I have caused because I’ve asked them a question. Does that make sense or am I over thinking it?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Eddie Winterburn</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Decision Making</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/teachingandlearning/decision-making/#post-11</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Home again...
 
The whole &quot;decision making&quot; thing is about the relationship we have with them (see coaching 101), if we set it up right then we can have different conversations with them t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home again...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The whole "decision making" thing is about the relationship we have with them (see coaching 101), if we set it up right then we can have different conversations with them that allow for a more detailed enquiry as to the thought processes behind their actions.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It should mean you get more back from questions like "how are you deciding how to....(x, y, z)"</p>
<p>So it all starts with the relationship. I always find it better to talk in terms of "we" rather than "you" and build a more inclusive and open relationship this way.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>How might we do this or that, and how will we decide when we are finished with it.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>hope that makes sense, but if it doesn't then shout up :)</p>
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                        <title>RE: Decision Making</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/teachingandlearning/decision-making/#post-10</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2021 21:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[hi Les
glad you enjoyed the workshop, I’m away at the minute but will respond more fully later in the week]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Les</p>
<p>glad you enjoyed the workshop, I’m away at the minute but will respond more fully later in the week</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Decision Making</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/teachingandlearning/decision-making/#post-9</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Attended your Standards Check workshop last Sunday and really enjoyed it. Really fascinating and insightful. Something you mentioned, that really struck me but you didn&#039;t elaborate on much w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attended your Standards Check workshop last Sunday and really enjoyed it. Really fascinating and insightful. Something you mentioned, that really struck me but you didn't elaborate on much was you believe learning to drive is about decision making and learners should be taught decision making techniques and advanced driving skills such as limit points at an early stage. I completely agree with this and is something I would love to incorporate into my teaching but I've been worried about introducing advanced skills to fresh learners incase its too much for them. </p>
<p>Could you give some hints and tips on how to include things like decision making from an early stage? Maybe even before the first lesson? What did you do when you were teaching?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thanks Les</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ask questions here</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/general/ask-questions-here/#post-8</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Errr, I don&#039;t know! lol]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, I don't know! lol</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: The trigger system and covid-19 changes explained</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/triggers/the-trigger-system-and-covid-19-changes-exlained/#post-7</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It is a good idea to keep your own running record of what is happening on test and below I have included a sheet for recording this information. You may decide to alter it to collect extra i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good idea to keep your own running record of what is happening on test and below I have included a sheet for recording this information. You may decide to alter it to collect extra information such as time of test, weather conditions etc. Mark in the notes section anything unusual that happens during a particular test.</p>
<p>Each row represents a pupil on test, and each column represents the marking box on the DL25. Keep track of what type of fault you have in each column, and you will be able to see at a glance if you have issues in a particular area. For example, if you look down any column and there are 5 serious faults recorded then you need to look at your technique in that particular area.</p>
<p>This is very useful not only for new ADIs but also for those working on their own who never have others examine the standard of their work.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I would strongly recommend that if you intend to conduct mock tests that you form an alliance with another ADI and meet at the test centre to switch cars. This then becomes a real test, a stranger with a clipboard sitting quietly marking mistakes.</p>
<p>You will also notice patterns in each other’s pupils, and this can form the basis of very useful discussions in terms of development. For example, if your pupils feel like they are too fast to the other ADI then an examiner will likely feel the same.</p>
<p>If you are new this can help you see what a seasoned ADI sees as “test standard”.</p>
<p>The form below may prove useful for keeping a check on where you are in terms of the triggers and thus gain a little more control over the process, removing the mystery around when you may be called. It should, if used correctly help you to improve your performance.</p>
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                        <title>The trigger system and covid-19 changes explained</title>
                        <link>https://clientcentredlearning.co.uk/courses/community/triggers/the-trigger-system-and-covid-19-changes-exlained/#post-6</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Invitation for Standards Check
You will usually be invited to book a Standards Check at your local driving test centre. It will be expected that you will book this in a timely manner and th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Invitation for Standards Check</h1>
<p>You will usually be invited to book a Standards Check at your local driving test centre. It will be expected that you will book this in a timely manner and that there will be no undue delays. If you are unable to attend the DVSA will expect proof of this. You will receive a communication from the DVSA confirming the time and place for the Standards Check, which will also explain the procedure on the day. If it is your Part Three exam you will choose the date and time.</p>
<p>There were changes brought in to limit the length of time of the exam during the Pandemic. This shortened the duration of the exam and meant the examiner would be ringing you in advance to discuss things with you. This means you are able to paint a much fuller picture of what the examiner can expect on the day. It also means you can give details about the way you normally work with this pupil. The advice from DVSA is that you should only stop when necessary, to reduce the Covid risk. This does not mean you cannot stop! If you are unsure about any aspect of this, then take the time to ask the examiner in advance of the test during the phone call.</p>
<p>Examiners have expressed a desire to keep this phone call in advance of the test as it gives them a better idea of what to expect on the day. At the time of publishing this document it is unclear as to how this will be going forward.</p>
<p>In 2021 the DVSA introduced changes as to when you might be called for standards check. Although this has caused an uproar among ADIs it really isn’t so different to what has gone before. The DVSA have always had a system in place that allowed them to call in ADIs for a standards check if it was felt that their performance was substantially under par or they were presenting candidates for test that were a danger to themselves, the examiner or other road users. The change announced is a formalisation of this process. There is nothing to fear for the average or above average ADI, this is targeted at the below average ADI and as you can see from the example report, you have to be consistently underperforming to be called for a standards check. This is, I believe, because of the low standard of candidate presented by a significant minority within the industry</p>
<p>You will normally get one standards check in every badge cycle (4 years) but, you may get one sooner, if, in a rolling 12-month period (12 months back from today) you trigger the criteria.</p>
<p>Trigger criteria:</p>
<ul>
<li>average number of driving faults per test (5 or more)</li>
<li>average number of serious faults per test (0.5 or more)</li>
<li>percentage of tests where the driving examiner had to take physical action in the interests of public safety (10% or higher)</li>
<li>overall pass rate over the rolling 12 months (55% or lower)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>In this example a Standards check would NOT be triggered </strong><strong>because only 1 of the 4 triggers (driving examiners taking physical action) has been met</strong></p>
<p>You took your pupils for 30 tests throughout the last 12 months</p>
<p>Across all 30 tests, your pupils made a combined total of 130 driving faults. This is an average of 4.83 per test (130 ÷ 30)</p>
<p>Across all 30 tests, your pupils made a combined total of 14 serious driving faults. This is an average of 0.47 per test (14 ÷ 30)</p>
<p>Across all 30 tests, driving examiners had to take physical action in 5 tests. This is 16.67% of tests (5 ÷ 30, multiplied by 100)</p>
<p>In total, 18 of the 30 tests were passes and 12 were fails. This is a pass rate of 60% (18 ÷ 30, multiplied by 100)</p>
<p>You will not need to take a standards check</p>
<p><strong>In this example a standards check WOULD be triggered </strong><strong>because all 4 of the triggers have been met.</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>You took your pupils for 20 tests throughout the last 12 months.</p>
<p>Across all 20 tests, your pupils made a combined total of 120 driving faults. This is an average of 6 per test (120 ÷ 20).</p>
<p>Across all 20 tests, your pupils made a combined total of 12 serious driving faults. This is an average of 0.6 per test (12 ÷ 20).</p>
<p>Across all 20 tests, driving examiners had to take physical action in 4 tests. This is 20% of tests (4 ÷ 20, multiplied by 100).</p>
<p>In total, 8 of the 20 tests were passes and 12 were fails. This is a pass rate of 40% (8 ÷ 20, multiplied by 100).</p>
<p>The indicators will only be used if you bring 5 or more pupils for driving tests in a 12-month period.</p>
<p>If you bring fewer than 5 pupils, or you do not teach learners, you will still have to attend a  standards check once during each 4-year period you’re registered as an ADI.</p>
<p>The DVSA will contact you (normally via email) to tell you when you have to book yours.</p>
<p>If called for a standards check the examiner will call you to arrange a date and time for a 30-minute phone call.</p>
<p>This appointment is voluntary and will take place about 8 weeks before your standards check.</p>
<p><strong>If you refuse the offer of a phone appointment</strong></p>
<p>You will not be sent your ADI driver test analysis report if you refuse the appointment.</p>
<p>You will still need to take your standards check, but DVSA will not contact you again to offer support.</p>
<p><strong>During the phone appointment</strong></p>
<p>During the 30-minute call, the examiner will talk to you about:</p>
<ul>
<li>your ADI driver test analysis report</li>
<li>where you can get further support and guidance (they will advise approaching an ORDIT registered training establishment or trainer)</li>
<li>what will happen when you take your standards check</li>
</ul>
<p>They cannot give you any technical training during the call.</p>
<p>The examiner will email a summary of the discussion to you. This will include links to guidance or information you should read before your standards check.</p>
<p><strong>Getting a copy of your ADI driver test analysis report if you’ve not been asked to book a standards check</strong></p>
<p>If you have not been asked to book a standards check, you can still request a copy of your report.</p>
<p>It can take several weeks to get your report. This is because DVSA prioritises sending reports to ADIs who have been asked to book a standards check.</p>
<p>Email DVSA to request your report. You need to include your:</p>
<ul>
<li>ADI personal reference number (PRN)</li>
<li>date of birth</li>
<li>postcode</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>ADI driver test analysis reports</strong><br /><a href="mailto:adi.enforcement.analysis.request@dvsa.gov.uk?subject=Request%20for%20ADI%20driver%20test%20analysis%20report">adi.enforcement.analysis.request@dvsa.gov.uk</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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